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Post by perry c on Jun 28, 2024 7:31:01 GMT -6
It's too bad you guys won't be able to get that arena off the ground. News to me. |
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Post by chucka on Jul 8, 2024 13:16:26 GMT -6
It's too bad you guys won't be able to get that arena off the ground. News to me. My bad. Maybe it’s not dead, but it certainly won’t be built anytime soon or even have shovels in the ground to show the Valley or any other conference that Kansas City is serious about, or can afford to bolster, its athletics. Link: Kansas City Pauses New Arena |
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Post by rooinblue on Jul 9, 2024 11:02:27 GMT -6
I prefer we prove we can win the Summit League before we start making noise about “upgrading “ conferences.
Valpo entered the MVC roughly 5-10 years ago from the Horizon and Summit conferences to great fanfare. Valpo had a great history and reputation.
Valpo is now the cellar dweller of the MVC with a KenPom of 300. I don’t think that was what they envisioned when they accepted the MVC invite.
They may have set themselves back a decade or two.
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Post by chucka on Jul 9, 2024 19:10:55 GMT -6
You guys look to be in contention for a Summit title this upcoming season. Your coach and his staff have been doing yeoman’s work in recruiting…especially the JUCOs and international players.
Valpo’s problem was also lying to the MVC about upgrades and not following through. The Valley was hoodwinked. Valpo and the MVC were surprised to find that the success of the Beacons program depended on the Drew family (Homer & Bryce). After they left, the program fell apart. The rebranding has not helped either.
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Post by section28 on Jul 10, 2024 11:09:23 GMT -6
Lets get Valpo on the schedule then...payback. remember we sent them out of the league with a tournament victory. tasty
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Post by nodak651 on Sept 9, 2024 16:57:59 GMT -6
Question - what makes the Valley so much better than the Summit, for UMKC?
Travel is pretty good in the Summit for UMKC, with St. Thomas, the SD schools, Omaha, and Tulsa all fairly close.
Both are one bid leagues.
Summit League is an easier path to NCAA tournament.
Finances are roughly the same.
Why not invest, get good, and be a major player in the Summit League?
TV could be a reason, but in the Summit, UMKC could also sign their own deal with a local TV station or RSN, and UMKC could keep all the money.
The MVC tournament has better national exposure currently, but the Summit League is getting better and it's improving in that regard as well.
MVC is trending backwards, and many schools have budget issues, which isn't an issue for Summit League schools. Conference tournaments already have similar attendance, and that doesn't even count the loss of Missouri State yet.
The Summit has the potential to become a really good conference, IMO. Grass isn't always greener, imo.
Thoughts?
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Post by nodak651 on Sept 9, 2024 16:59:05 GMT -6
FYI an arena is on UMKC's Facilities capital plan. A different version than the P3 plan that was scrapped. Can find it in board of curators meeting documents, from the spring.
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Post by section28 on Sept 9, 2024 18:58:27 GMT -6
It is a mirage... Valley used to be very good... still several conferences better than summit... would rather go to Nashville than Grand Fork though.. haha
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Post by roos34 on Sept 9, 2024 19:42:30 GMT -6
The Summit has better travel and rivalries than we had in the WAC, and not quite as tough competition as competing in the MVC. 1 bid leagues all around make The Summit the choice for me.
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Post by true2theroos on Sept 9, 2024 20:33:38 GMT -6
I’ve come around to preferring the Summit League as well. With that being said, I anticipate they’ll be a few membership changes in the next few years (e.g., NDSU and/or SDSU leaving for FBS membership, St. Thomas potentially leaving for the A10 or a similar conference). I hope John Fenton and the rest of the conference leadership will be ready to go in order to keep the conference together.
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Post by hoopsmith on Sept 10, 2024 10:13:39 GMT -6
I too have really come around to the Summit over the Valley. However, with the ever-evolving conference membership landscape, it can all change in a matter of days.
As for the arena mentioned in the capital plan, they are saying a 4K seat arena in the $60M range. I fear this will be a disappointment at that price point. My alma mater opened a new arena a few years ago. It seats 4.8K and cost $66M and was built on the cheap at best. Fast forward 5-10 years of inflation, I don’t think $60M is gonna get us much
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Post by true2theroos on Sept 10, 2024 20:31:17 GMT -6
I too have really come around to the Summit over the Valley. However, with the ever-evolving conference membership landscape, it can all change in a matter of days. As for the arena mentioned in the capital plan, they are saying a 4K seat arena in the $60M range. I fear this will be a disappointment at that price point. My alma mater opened a new arena a few years ago. It seats 4.8K and cost $66M and was built on the cheap at best. Fast forward 5-10 years of inflation, I don’t think $60M is gonna get us much I agree with the overall sentiment, although I think there are a few recent examples that would leave some room for optimism. For example, Fairfield University built a very nice facility for $51M, albeit only 3,500 seats. Idaho’s new arena also cost $51M to build back in 2021. The only problems I see with this is that A) does it place a ceiling on our program? and B) is 3,500-4,000 seats enough of a differentiator to be an attractive event venue for concerts that are too small for the T-Mobile Center? For example, would that seating range really make our new arena worth selecting over existing auditoriums and theaters? I’m trying to think of this from a revenue-generating perspective. |
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Post by true2theroos on Sept 12, 2024 4:52:25 GMT -6
And so it begins. The Pac-12 will add Boise State, Colorado State, Fresno State, and San Diego State in 2025. I’d imagine there will be more. The Mountain West will almost certainly backfill with the Big Sky (which would then target NDSU/SDSU) or simply poach the xDSU schools directly.
As a conference, we need to be ready to backfill. And as a university, we need to be ready to find alternatives if necessary.
Edit: I will add that the one way the Summit can avoid any harm is if the MWC backfills through Conference USA. At that point, I don’t think NDSU/SDSU would be interested in joining them if spots became available due to the sheer travel.
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